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Placing the engine for the 1929 Model “A” Ford Roadster Hot Rod – Part 2

Friday, February 26th, 2010

Placing the engine for the 1929 Model “A” Ford Roadster Hot Rod – Part 2

Figuring out the location of the engine and transmission in the 1929 Ford Roadster Hot Rod was a bit of a challenge.  The Model A Ford Roadster does not have a spacious interior.  I am 6’ – 4” tall and need leg room when sitting in the car.  Many hot rodders will cut out and have about a 4” recess in the firewall to make room for the engine.  Modifying the firewall was not an option for me.  Originally, I started the design of my Hot Rod chassis using the 1931 Ford 5 window coupe body.  Everything seemed to work out better with 1931 Ford being a slightly larger car.  I could have even used the original aluminum driveshaft from the 1986 Corvette.  It was like the C4 Corvette components were intentionally designed to be used in the Model A Ford!   Now I had to move the engine forward to clear the firewall of the 1929 Ford Hot Rod roadster. 

1929 Ford Hot Rod front engine mount version 1 - view 1 -  This is bolt to the front of a small block Chevy engine.  The bolt holes on the engine are located to either side of the timing cover.

1929 Ford Hot Rod front engine mount version 1 - view 1 - This is bolt to the front of a small block Chevy engine. The bolt holes on the engine are located to either side of the timing cover.

1929 Ford Hot Rod front engine mount version 1 - view 2 - This illustrates the side profile of the motor mount.

1929 Ford Hot Rod front engine mount version 1 - view 2 - This illustrates the side profile of the motor mount.

1929 Ford Hot Rod front engine mount version 1 - view 3 - These are the mounts that would be welded to the inside of the frame rails.  A basic rubber mount is used.

1929 Ford Hot Rod front engine mount version 1 - view 3 - These are the mounts that would be welded to the inside of the frame rails. A basic rubber mount is used.

My first motor mount was of a style that bolted to the front of the engine and had same inside width of the chassis.  I made this motor mount out of ¼” steel plate and made up small brackets that I could weld to the inside of the frame rails.  At first, this looked like a good option.  With the motor mount at the front of the engine, I would have a bit more clearance for the original 1986 Corvette headers and exhaust.  Remember, one of my goals with this project was to use as much of the 1986 Corvette as possible in this build.  This included the exhaust.  As I continued on with the project, I started to realize this style of motor mount would not work well for me.  The 1929 Ford roadster body was mounted temporarily on the frame.  I also mounted the 1986 Corvette steering column and the shaft from the steering column to the steering rack.  At that point I realized the front style motor mount would not work.  I steering column shaft would not clear the front motor mount. 

1929 Ford Hot Rod front engine mount version 1 - view 4 - This show a how how motor mount is attached to the front of the small block Chevy Corvette engine

1929 Ford Hot Rod front engine mount version 1 - view 4 - This show a how how motor mount is attached to the front of the small block Chevy Corvette engine

1929 Ford Hot Rod side engine mount prior to installation.  This is made using 1/4" steel plate on the base and 2"x2" square tubing.  This was all cut out using a metal band saw.

1929 Ford Hot Rod side engine mount prior to installation. This is made using 1/4" steel plate on the base and 2"x2" square tubing. This was all cut out using a metal band saw.

When I designed and built the front motor mount, I also made up a set of traditional style motor mounts for the side of the engine at the same time.  It was the side motor mounts that I ended up using.  There would be no issues with the steering shaft now and along the way, I decided to change the exhaust system.  I ended up purchasing Patriot Exhaust Sprint Style Weld-Up Header Kit.  I will have an exhaust section later on in this Blog with details on the complete exhaust system, including a baffles and side pipes.

1929 Ford Hot Rod side engine mount view 1 - Just a trail fit.

1929 Ford Hot Rod side engine mount view 1 - Just a trail fit.

1929 Ford Hot Rod side engine mount on the sbc engine.  This is the final version of engine mount used.

1929 Ford Hot Rod side engine mount on the sbc engine. This is the final version of engine mount used.

Being a rather creative person, I thought my hot rod would look neat if the front coil over shocks could be mounted inside the frames rails.  This would be similar to the suspension found on the Plymouth Prowlers and Indy style race cars.  With the body on the chassis, I moved the engine and transmission forward enough to clear the firewall.  It was then I wished that the frame was about 6” longer.  There was not enough room between the pulleys on the front of the engine and at radiator for inboard coil over shocks.  As a result, the idea of Indy style inboard front coil over shocks would have to be abandoned.   The next hot rod I build will have a longer frame to allow for this type of suspension.  It would make a very clean looking independent front suspension system.

1929 Ford Hot Rod side engine mount with the steering shaft.  The steering shaft just clears the motor mount.

1929 Ford Hot Rod side engine mount with the steering shaft. The steering shaft just clears the motor mount.

The bonus of moving the engine forward enough to clear the 1929 Ford roadster firewall was that I would not need much of a transmission tunnel in the floor of the car.  This will create the needed leg room for me.

1929 Ford Hot Rod finished frame motor mount

1929 Ford Hot Rod finished frame motor mount

1929 Ford Hot Rod motor mounted in the chassis complete with headers.  This is the setup I settled with.

1929 Ford Hot Rod motor mounted in the chassis complete with headers. This is the setup I settled with.

The front style of motor mount was not needed anymore, so I cleaned it up a bit, painted it black and listed it on eBay.  It sold in the week and bought in a price of over $100 for me.

Come back next week for more building information on this 1929 Ford Hot Rod.

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A Corvette engine for the 1929 Model “A” Ford Roadster Hot Rod

Friday, February 19th, 2010

A Corvette engine for the 1929 Model “A” Ford Roadster Hot Rod

My intention was not only to use as much of the 1986 Corvette Indy Pace car suspension as possible in my hot rod design, but also to include as many of other parts as possible.  The engine seemed start and run okay with good oil pressure and temperature readings when I purchased the car.  I could not take the smashed Corvette for a run because the car was hit very badly in the back end.  The impact was so intense that the rear drivers’ side half shaft was sheared inside the rear knuckle.  Even the rear tie rod mounts were broken along with a bent spindle support rod on the drivers’ side. 

1986 Corvette engine as taken out of the Indy Pace car convertible - the plan is to use this in the 1929 Ford Roadster hot rod.

1986 Corvette engine as taken out of the Indy Pace car convertible - the plan is to use this in the 1929 Ford Roadster hot rod.

To keep thing simple for my first hot rod project of, I felt that the Corvettes TPI injection system would be too complicated to hook up and take too much time to get working properly.  I removed TPI injection system was removed from the Corvette engine.  This is when I noticed that things are not looking too good in the engine department.  The inside of the engine, underneath the intake manifold looked like a coal mine.  Lots of carbonized chucks of oil.  I wonder why anyone would let this happen.  Changing the oil and filter is so important to the life of an engine.  I realized at this point it would be a good idea to rebuild the engine.  For now I was just interested in placing the engine and transmission into the chassis.

1986 Corvette engine with the intake manifold removed - what a mess - not many oil changes happened for this engine.  The oil carbonized into very hard chunks.  This engine will need a rebuild.  For now, it will be used to figure out the engine and transmission placement in the 1929 Ford Roadster hot rod.

1986 Corvette engine with the intake manifold removed - what a mess - not many oil changes happened for this engine. The oil carbonized into very hard chunks. This engine will need a rebuild. For now, it will be used to figure out the engine and transmission placement in the 1929 Ford Roadster hot rod.

With the Corvette TPI intake off, the engine, I quickly disassembled it and bead blasted it clean.  I do not like keeping too many parts in the shop that I have no use for.  My shop is just too small for that and I do not want to become a keeper of stuff like some car builders.  The TPI injection system was to be listed on eBay.  It cleaned up very nicely and it looked terrific re-assembled.  When I dismantled the wrecked 1986 Corvette Indy Pace car, I kept the entire engine wiring harness included the ECM.  I took several pictures of the intake with wiring harness and listed it on eBay for one week.  At the end of the week I was $500 richer.  Not bad for a few hours of work.

 1986 Corvette TPI injection manifold - view #1 - This was bead blasted and sold on eBay.  The picture is not sure good, because the old film camera I had was starting to give me problems.  It was shortly after this, that I purchased our first digital camera.

1986 Corvette TPI injection manifold - view #1 - This was bead blasted and sold on eBay. The picture is not very good, because the old film camera I had was starting to give me problems. It was shortly after this, that I purchased our first digital camera.

 

1986 Corvette TPI distributor & intake parts - This all as included on the eBay listing with the intake manifold along with the complete engine wiring harness and ECM.

1986 Corvette TPI distributor & intake parts - This all as included on the eBay listing with the intake manifold along with the complete engine wiring harness and ECM.

Instead of using the Corvettes TPI system, I opted for a carbureted system.  At a swap meet, I found a Holley Street Dominator intake.  The Edelbrock carburetor came from eBay.  I even found a couple of Mallory distributors.  One distributor was an optical unit and the other had dual points.  For the time being this was placed onto the old and very sad looking Corvette engine.

 

1986 Corvette TPI injection manifold - view #2 - I found that eBay buyers like to see what they are buying, so I always take walk around pictures of the item, especially if I want to make a larger sum of money from the item.

1986 Corvette TPI injection manifold - view #2 - I found that eBay buyers like to see what they are buying, so I always take walk around pictures of the item, especially if I want to make a larger sum of money from the item.

1986 Corvette TPI injection manifold - view #3 -  I alway like to clean everything I sell on eBay.  Even a bit of paint when required make a big difference in what somebody is willing to pay for an item.

1986 Corvette TPI injection manifold - view #3 - I alway like to clean everything I sell on eBay. Even a bit of paint when required make a big difference in what somebody is willing to pay for an item.

1986 Corvette TPI injection manifold - view #4 - Adding lots of pictures to an eBay listing is well worth the effort.  At the time, there were several other sellers selling something similar but only had one picture of the item.  I sold my for over twice the price they received.

1986 Corvette TPI injection manifold - view #4 - Adding lots of pictures to an eBay listing is well worth the effort. At the time, there were several other sellers selling something similar but only had one picture of the item. I sold my for over twice the price they received.

 

 

 Now it came time to figure out how to place the engine in the 1929 Ford Roadster hot rod chassis.

Come back again next week, and I will continue with my quest of building the 1929 Ford Hot Rod.

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